VIN numbering

[Laviolette GT2R]

Ba11g

I found the following VIN numbers with the BA11G combination:

029 - XL9BA11G98Z363029 - C8 Laviolette
100 - XL9BA11G46Z363100 - C8 Laviolette
123 - XL9BA11G56Z363123 - C8 Laviolette
128 - XL9BA11G46Z363128 - C8 Laviolette
149 - XL9BA11G69Z363149 - C8 Laviolette
160 - XL9BA11G97Z363160 - C8 Laviolette
162 - XL9BA11G27Z363162 - C8 Laviolette
163 - XL9BA11G28Z363163 - C8 Laviolette
164 - XL9BA11G29Z363164 - C8 Laviolette
166 - XL9BA11GX7Z363166 - C8 Laviolette
167 - XL9BA11G89Z363167 - C8 Laviolette
169 - XL9BA11G19Z363169 - C8 Laviolette
172 - XL9BA11G19Z363172 - C8 Laviolette
174 - XL9BA11G78Z363174 - C8 Laviolette
182 - XL9BA11G68Z363182 - C8 Laviolette
186 - XL9BA11G38Z363186 - C8 Laviolette
201 - XL9BA11G49Z363201 - C8 Laviolette
202 - XL9BA11G69Z363202 - C8 Laviolette
203 - XL9BA11G89Z363203 - C8 Laviolette
224 - XL9BA11G59Z363224 - C8 Laviolette
227 - XL9BA11G09Z363227 - C8 Laviolette
228 - XL9BA11G29Z363228 - C8 Laviolette
229 - XL9BA11G49Z363229 - C8 Laviolette
230 - XL9BA11G09Z363230 - C8 Laviolette
233 - XL9BA11G69Z363233 - C8 Laviolette

These are all C8 Laviolette's, the BA stands for closed Spykers and the 11 for SWB models. Again a large group all with Karmann bodywork and chassis. Unfortunately no know full VIN numbers of earlier CPP Laviolette's like #015 or #050...

[Laviolette GT2R]

Ba12g

I found the following VIN numbers with the BA12G combination:

069 - XL9BA12G56Z363069 - C8 Double 12
129 - XL9BA12G86Z363129 - C8 Double 12
250 - XL9BA12G89Z363250 - C8 Aileron Pre-production
908 - XL9BA12G49Z363908 - C8 Aileron prototype

12 indicates the LWB models. Note that there is no structural difference in the VIN number between a C8 Double 12 and a C8 Aileron. It seems VIN numbers 250 and higher are reserved for C8 Ailerons though.


On a sidenote:

VIN numbers ending with 9xx are most likely used for prototypes.

[evandaalen]

Nice research, Stephan! Well done!

For a few more new VINs, check the "Unknown VINs found in carfax.com" thread, with additions from Matthias and myself ... I hope it helps a little bit ...

Now a few even more interesting cases: there are several cars of which Carfax has multiple records. It's like #128, but that's not the only one!

#024, XL9GA11A35Z363024 and XL9AA11G24Z363024
#026, XL9GA11A75Z363026 and XL9AA11G64Z363026 (not listed yet?)
#031, XL9GA11A05Z363031 and XL9AA11GX4Z363031
#033, XL9GA11A45Z363033 and XL9AA11G34Z363033

I guess we're not talking about double cars, but probably the same car with multiple VINs. I've seen that before on Ferraris: the VIN is placed in many locations (not only on registration documents, but also on different parts of the car, like chassis, windshield, bodywork, interior, etc.). Different VINs might be caused by errors or restamps. The four cars mentioned above were all Model Year 2004, then probably changed to MY 2005. This might be done to meet regulations and to be able to import them into the US. But that's mainly a guess ...

There is one more, changed from MY 2007 to MY 2008:
#162, XL9BA11G08Z363162 and XL9BA11G27Z363162
This explains the discussions in the related thread ...

A few more interesting cases:
#146, XL9AA11G69Z363146: Model Year 2009, while a car like #153 (XL9AA11G96Z363153) still has Model Year 2006 ... what about that??

And a fun thing found on the internet, regarding #159, XL9BA11G08Z363159:
SPYKER OF NORTH AMERICA INCORPORATI: Detailed Company Information, Imports & Exports

Nice "example shipment"! Anyone with access to that website and able to search for more VINs????

And for those who care, here is the full list of VINs that I found so far on Carfax (97 cars):

007 XL9GA11A35Z363007
010 XL9GA11A35Z363010
016 XL9AA11A94Z363016
024 XL9GA11A35Z363024
024 XL9AA11G24Z363024
026 XL9GA11A75Z363026
026 XL9AA11G64Z363026
027 XL9AA11G84Z363027
030 XL9GA11A95Z363030
031 XL9GA11A05Z363031
031 XL9AA11GX4Z363031
032 XL9GA11A25Z363032
033 XL9GA11A45Z363033
033 XL9AA11G34Z363033
035 XL9GA11A85Z363035
037 XL9GA11A15Z363037
057 XL9GB11G36Z363057
070 XL9GB11A16Z363070
082 XL9GB11H16Z363082
083 XL9GB11H36Z363083
084 XL9GB11H56Z363084
085 XL9GB11H76Z363085
086 XL9GB11H96Z363086
088 XL9AA11G26Z363088
089 XL9AA11G46Z363089
090 XL9AA11G06Z363090
091 XL9GB11H26Z363091
092 XL9GB11H46Z363092
094 XL9AA11G86Z363094
095 XL9AA11GX6Z363095
096 XL9AA11G16Z363096
102 XL9AA11G36Z363102
103 XL9AA11G56Z363103
104 XL9AA11G76Z363104
105 XL9AA11G96Z363105
106 XL9AA11G06Z363106
107 XL9AA11G26Z363107
108 XL9AA11G46Z363108
109 XL9AA11G66Z363109
111 XL9AA11G46Z363111
112 XL9AA11G66Z363112
113 XL9AA11G86Z363113
114 XL9AA11GX6Z363114
115 XL9AA11G16Z363115
116 XL9AA11G36Z363116
117 XL9AA11G56Z363117
118 XL9AA11G76Z363118
121 XL9AA11G76Z363121
123 XL9BA11G56Z363123
128 XL9BA11G27Z363128
132 XL9AA11G16Z363132
134 XL9AA11G56Z363134
135 XL9AA11G76Z363135
138 XL9AA11G26Z363138
139 XL9AA11G46Z363139
141 XL9AA11G26Z363141
143 XL9BA11G97Z363143
144 XL9AA11G86Z363144
146 XL9AA11G69Z363146
148 XL9AA11G56Z363148
150 XL9AA11G36Z363150
151 XL9AA11G56Z363151
152 XL9AA11G76Z363152
153 XL9AA11G96Z363153
157 XL9BA11G97Z363157
159 XL9BA11G08Z363159
162 XL9BA11G08Z363162
162 XL9BA11G27Z363162
163 XL9BA11G28Z363163
164 XL9BA11G29Z363164
165 XL9BA11G68Z363165
166 XL9BA11GX7Z363166
167 XL9BA11G89Z363167
168 XL9BA11G37Z363168
169 XL9BA11G19Z363169
171 XL9AA11G59Z363171
173 XL9BA11G77Z363173
174 XL9BA11G78Z363174
201 XL9BA11G49Z363201
202 XL9BA11G69Z363202
203 XL9BA11G89Z363203
205 XL9AA11G79Z363205
206 XL9BA11G39Z363206
209 XL9AA11G68Z363209
212 XL9AA11G49Z363212
214 XL9AA11G89Z363214
215 XL9AA11GX9Z363215
216 XL9AA11G19Z363216
217 XL9BA11G89Z363217
223 XL9BA11G39Z363223
224 XL9BA11G59Z363224
226 XL9BA11G99Z363226
227 XL9BA11G09Z363227
228 XL9BA11G29Z363228
230 XL9BA11G09Z363230
232 XL9BA11G49Z363232
233 XL9BA11G69Z363233

[bucciali]

Thanks Edvar. Top Notch.

There are a couple of VINs that have been rebuild, hence the 146<->153 story.

[netburner]

I haven't checked your double listed cars yet, but have you had a look to those records in carfax? If there is none or only one at the first entry, but more than one on the other than the other is correct. I had the same today with a Ferrari VIN, when it was listed as a F430 Scuderia with 1 record and as a F430 Spider with 7 or 8 records.

[AX lover]

I also believe that #029 is a MY2008 car. This car was the factory demonstrator.

[Laviolette GT2R]

I found the following VIN numbers with the GA11A combination:

007 - XL9GA11A35Z363007 - C8 Spyder
010 - XL9GA11A35Z363010 - C8 Spyder
024 - XL9GA11A35Z363024 - C8 Spyder
031 - XL9GA11A05Z363031 - C8 Spyder
032 - XL9GA11A25Z363032 - C8 Spyder
033 - XL9GA11A45Z363033 - C8 Spyder
035 - XL9GA11A85Z363035 - C8 Spyder
037 - XL9GA11A15Z363037 - C8 Spyder

I think these were all initially fitted with a CPP chassis and bodywork.


On a sidenote:

008 - XL9GA14F52Z363008 - C8 Double 12 (The very first Double 12S, this was used to homologate the Double 12R. This Double 12 has the BMW based race engine with 600+ Horse Power)

CORRECTION: The correct VIN of #008 is: XL9CA14F32Z363008

[SpykerOwner]

VIN number and the accuracy check

I've made a little excel sheet to check if a VIN number passes the accuracy check.

[Mattjs33]

Keep in mind that while Spyker appears to have the check digit calculation correct, there are numerous cases where small volume manufacturers have gotten the check digit calculation wrong. Edvar van Daalen has discovered that all of the Koenigsegg VINs in my registry have check digits that are 6 or 7 values higher than what they should be. I have also found a number of Bitter SC VINs on CarFax which all have the same check digit of 9 (maybe the new VIN system was so new they didn't understand it yet?). Also, there are at least three Vector W8s and at least one SSC Ultimate Aero with confirmable VINs on CarFax which contain check digits which should be invalid.

[Laviolette GT2R]

I've made a little excel sheet to check if a VIN number passes the accuracy check.

Many thanx, very helpfull !

[The Italian Junkyard]

Sorry if it has already mentioned, I quickly checked the thread and could notice it (perhaps I missed it), but VIN rules are very different, basically custom made for manufacturers which produce less than 500 cars per year.
I already noticed you worked on a sort of validation code which I have still to check though.

I discovered this while cracking my head in two trying to sort Pagani's VINs, where the digits referring to the factory where the car was built changes from the Coupe models to the Roadster models, even if there is just one Pagani factory (at the moment).

Also, on Zondas, the VIN is positioned on two metal plates but none of them is viewable if not opening one of the two bonnets.
You can actually spot the on on the front wheel arches if the suspensions are raised to clear speed bumps.

[Laviolette GT2R]

Unlike the older SWB and Double 12 VIN numbers, the Aileron VIN's are very consistend, boring even :lol:

Sofar we found:

250 XL9BA12G89Z363250 C8 Aileron Pre-production and later C8 Aileron Spyder
251 XL9BA12GX9Z363251 C8 Aileron Pre-production and Lotus testcar
252 XL9BA12G19Z363252 C8 Aileron Pre-production
253 XL9BA12G39Z363253 C8 Aileron Pre-production
254 XL9BA12G59Z363254 C8 Aileron Pre-production

Anxious to find the VIN number of the first Customer Aileron !

[IVR007]

...
Anxious to find the VIN number of the first Customer Aileron !

It will end with 259, so I guess you can work out the biggest part of that VIN

[SpykerOwner]

It will end with 259, so I guess you can work out the biggest part of that VIN

XL9BA12G00Z363259

But the newest SWB was completely different than we are used to. So we have to wait and see.

[Laviolette GT2R]

My guess would be: XL9BA12G9AZ363259